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发表于 2004-9-21 13:23 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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i'm giving up
i have been trawling the internet and the forums for the last 4 months sucking up all the information about the forex............heres the summary:

dont pay for seminars or training

dont pay for stategies or get rich quick stuff

dont use indicators

do use indicators

you cant make money without years of experience

MY ANSWER NOW IS WHAT THE HELL DO WE ALL DO THEN WE ARE STUFFED. FORGET ALL THE MOANING MISERABLE WHINGERS WHO TELL US THAT THE HOLY GRAIL DOESNT EXIST OR YOU WILL NEED A BILLION YEARS OF EXPERIENCE TO BE GOOD AT THIS....BLAH BLAH I DONT WANT ANYMORE PESSIMISM PLEASE I'M SICK OF IT. i WOULD REALLY ENJOY HEARING ABOUT SOMEONE WHO REGUARLY MAKES A LIVING FROM TRADING THE FOREX AND WHAT STRATEGIES THEY USE OR PLEASE JUST TELL ME ABOUT SUCCESS STORIES. THANK YOU
那么多马甲我不怕
 楼主| 发表于 2004-9-21 13:24 | 显示全部楼层
Well, if it will help, I’ll tell you my story.

I started out a little ahead of the game than most people (I thought), having had several years of commodities behind me. My first forex account, I took from $5000 to $9000 in 4 weeks.

Then from $9000 to $2000. In a week.

Then from that to 0. Another month to rethink, I got back in and made $5000 into $7500 in a month. Then gave 90% of it back. Third time is the charm I guess, because now I make a steady 45 to 60 pips a week. Nothing fancy. Won’t double my money in a month. Won’t lose it in a week either. Just slow, steady gains. Pretty boring.

If anything can be learned from me, it’s that clichéd as it is, you have to find your own way. Plenty of good advice here, and elsewhere, but plenty of lousy advice too. My thought is, no one here is really an expert at trading. This isn’t physics where we have proven formulas. All of us are learning, relearning, etc. I myself use a risk/reward ratio that is the exact opposite of what people recommend. But it works for me. Find your own “works for me”.

The best trading I ever did (and continue to do), is to throw out all the advice from people, and trade my own plan. Grab a year of data. Pick an indicator, any indicator, and test it. No, test the hell out of it. Forwards, backwards, upside down. Add 5 to each entry and exit. Add 16. Subtract 4 on even days, but add 7 on odd.

Does it work well? What’s well? How can it be improved? How can it be worsened? Honestly, some of my best insights are from taking a position of “how can I make this worse”. Invert, always invert. Nothing more than the old scientific method. Hypothesis, test, verify. Boring huh? Yet it works. For me. May not work for you. I'm a scientist, so putting my trading into a scientific framework helps me. But that may not work for you.


Best advice: Get off the forum. Get into your charts. Look upon your lack of trading well as a problem that needs to be solved. And put as much effort as you need into solving it. Myself, I took all the time I spent watching TV, and instead put it into getting my system together.

Think of it this way: Do you work as hard at forex as Olympic athletes do to win the gold? I don’t either, but you get my point. And forex is a heck of a lot more rewarding (materially).

I’ll extend the Olympic analogy. There is plenty of “gym-lore” out there for athletes to listen to. Carbo load or don’t? Train on an empty stomach, or don’t? Use this indicator, or that one? They have just as much bull to filter through, and they too are doing an activity that can’t be reduced to simple scientific principals. How do they do it then? They find what works and stick to it. They find what works by trying out lots of things that don’t work, lots of things that kind of work, take what is good, jettison the bad, and get their “system” together.

It’s no different than for us, I’d say. It’s tough. But it can be done.
那么多马甲我不怕
发表于 2004-9-21 13:26 | 显示全部楼层
能否翻译一下?谢谢。
 楼主| 发表于 2004-9-21 13:29 | 显示全部楼层
Originally posted by mfpg at 2004-9-21 01:26 PM:
能否翻译一下?谢谢。

翻譯就太累﹐主要讓大家看第二貼。
那么多马甲我不怕
发表于 2004-9-21 14:13 | 显示全部楼层

第二帖的摘译。

我的交易历史:第一个帐户,我在四周内将四千美元变成了九千。然后,在一周之内,又从九千赔到了二千美金。最后从两千玩到暴仓。经过一个月的思索总结之后,我返回市场,从一个新的五千美元帐户做起,经过一个月的时间,帐户上的数字变成了七千五百美元。可是,最终又将其中的百分之九十的资金回吐给了市场。至于第三个帐户,则有可欣赏之处。因为我可以稳定获利,每周可以稳赚四十五至六十点。虽没有激动人心之处,我不会在一月之内翻仓。可是同样,我也不会在一周内暴仓。 我用缓慢却稳健的方法来获利,投资生活,淡淡如水。
你可以从我的经历,以及许多其它的好方法中获得灵感,同时弃绝那些不利于你的投资意见。一定要形成自己的风格。
请记住,投资,不是一门用物理公式就可以得出精确的结果的物理学。市场中的每个人都在不断学习。我的系统中用到的投资/收益比与主流背道而弛,可是对我而言,却是有效的。
在交易生活中,我做得最出色的活动就是:抛弃市场上的所有他人的建议,按照我自己的计划交易,找出一年的数据,选择一个指标,任意一个指标,在各种市场情况下,进行测试和检验。然后问自己,所发现的交易方法管用吗?好处在哪里?通过什么方式可以验证这种方法?市场可以比我的预期更糟吗?坦诚地讲,我的一些好点子都是从反向思维“市场与我的预期相反,我会如何处理?”中得出的。要反向思维,坚持这种方式,这种古老的科学方法是最有用的。
假设,检验,然后证明之。这种验证方法是很枯燥的工作,可是它管用。对我这样一个科研人员来讲是有效的方法,可是却未必适合您。
最好的建议:从纷纭复杂的市场意见中抽身出来,观察图表,正视你需要解决的问题并且为之
投入必要的心力。就象我一样,把看电视的时间用来整合自己的交易系统。
不妨想想吧:你会象参加奥运的运动员那样进行艰苦的训练来获得金牌吗?你会明白我的意思,学会努力工作,而且,在外汇市场上,要是你行的话,获得的物质报酬比起运动员来,要丰厚得多。
同样,在体育运动中,也存在着许多不同的方法,可是,运动员是如何做的呢?他们尝试,然后找到有效的方式,摒弃无用的训练方法,坚持下来,全力以赴,并且成就了自己的训练体系。
从方法论上讲,我们的投资生活与运动员没有什么两样。投资同样是艰苦的活动,可是只要努力,我们可以做到。
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发表于 2004-9-21 14:23 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢二位!!
发表于 2004-9-21 14:24 | 显示全部楼层
翻译的非常不错!:)
发表于 2004-9-21 14:51 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2004-9-21 15:25 | 显示全部楼层
leonardo1977
谢谢您,继续努力吧!         加分!!!
发表于 2004-9-21 15:36 | 显示全部楼层
好东西,顶一下.
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